New Iranian Submarine? Not Quite...
Various American news outlets are now printing without editing or question a an AP report, datelined Tehran, on a "new" Iranian submarine that the Iranians announced they will be building. Excerpt:
"Iran on Tuesday officially launched production of its first locally built submarine, a craft that can fire missiles and torpedoes at the same time, state-run television reported.
"Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammad Imani was quoted as saying "the enemy would not be able to detect the submarine." He did not elaborate.
"One submarine has apparently already been built and was shown on television Tuesday, cruising at sea level. The Defense Ministry has commissioned an unspecified number of the craft that's been dubbed "Ghadir." Ghadir is a site in the Arabian Peninsula holy to Shiite Muslims, the overwhelming majority of Iran's 69 million people.
"The submarine is capable of operating in the Persian Gulf and Oman sea waters, according to the report, which did not specify the range of its projectiles."
Wow, this sounds bad... the Iranians building their own submarine, which could augment their fleet of three Russian-built Kilo class boats? Well, it turns out that it's not quite so bad; these are actually mini-subs, probably based on ones that Iran apparently bought from North Korea and/or Pakistan in the last 20 years. Here's an interesting excerpt I was able to find on the 'net:
"One foreign military attaché in Tehran said the vessels appeared to be well-engineered but he doubted they had much ballistic capability and were most likely to be used for ferrying troops."
Where do we think that quote came from? From a hard-charging Western journalist eager to find the truth? Nope, it comes straight from the Tehran Times; all the N. American papers are happy to print the non-informative AP story. Anyway, I'm wondering if the submarine they showed on TV today might have been this one...
Update 1234 11 May: Lawhawk has more thoughts... as does Chapomatic, in an untitled (and therefore unlinkable) thread.
Update 1651 11 May: Chapomatic has another post, this one with a nice long title so his html-challenged friends can more easily link to it.
Update 1108 12 May: Chap has even more! Also, welcome, Winds of Change readers.
posted by Bubblehead at 11:28 PM
22 Comments:
Back in the 70's we had a lot of Iranians at the SubBase New London. They were not the brightest saliors, one thing they had was MONEY. We were training them to operate the Diesel Subs that the US had sold them. Most of the Iranians drove Firebirds, I could hardley pay for my VW Bug.
5/11/2005 9:06 PM
Here is a scale down version of the Submarine. No doubt it is nothing in comparison to America submarines, but it is a massive step or leap in technology from a 3rd world country. Iranians can barley feed them selves but they can manufacture missiles , cars , submarines , tanks , passenger planes and soon Jets.
I cannot understand how a 3rd world country is even capable of manufacturing wheat let alone subs.
Lets see what Iran has in store next.
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=60732&ak=null
5/20/2005 2:18 PM
you chaps are somewhat ignorant, first of all I dont know what you support these claims on : "Iranians can barley feed them selves but they can manufacture missiles , cars , submarines , tanks , passenger planes and soon Jets."
do a quick search on Acig.org and you´ll se that you have such a wrong understanding of Iran, which by the way not is a third world country...
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32
12/22/2005 4:17 AM
lol, what a bunch of ignorants !!! Iran's army is in transition. Regarding those who say "Iranians can't feed themselves," all I can say is that as far as world knows it was the US who couldn't feed its ppl in New Orleans to the point that they started slaughtering each other for food and water. By the way Iranian universities that are considered in top level in the world are free of charge so Iranians unlike American students do not have to join the army and kill civilians in other countries to finance their studies.
Even if US has the best army in the world, it's the leadership that says the final word in a battle and as far as I know US generals are all corrupt nor Iran sets as the commander of its national guard somebody who use to be "Head of the Arabian Horse Association." LOL
1/17/2006 4:43 AM
If these stupid moolahs make a good "Aftabeh" that doesn't leak, I will say they have done something great.
Aftabeh is an iranian toilet furniture.
I suppose when the "sub" starts leaking, they will use the pages of Quarn to stop the leakages.
I thought the press people forgot couple of phrases in the headline. So this sub can fire missiles and torpedos..... and then would suddenly sink...??? each missile and torpedo that fires, leaves an open hole in the sub... I guess the never thought that one coming.lolololololol
poor sailors who go to their death with this "locally" made sub...
4/03/2006 5:13 AM
I understand they are not submarines, but underwater mobile weapon's platforms and detection devices; designed for long stays under water.
Armed with the latest in gas torpedos; they pose a significant and nearly undetectable danger to shipping and to those noisy Israeli subs. being deployed there.
Their military gear has won plaudits from JANES and other countries that buy it.
8/10/2006 9:13 AM
"I suppose when the "sub" starts leaking, they will use the pages of Quarn to stop the leakages.
I thought the press people forgot couple of phrases in the headline. So this sub can fire missiles and torpedos..... and then would suddenly sink...??? "
sheer witchcraft I tell ya...magic metal cylinders with fire sticks and underwater boom booms..impossible:/...
Wow...stupid ppl do need to be punished...
and learn to spell...or get off the web...
Quran, Koran, and Al-Quran
heres some help to get you started...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koran
3/21/2007 1:43 PM
LOL...ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE CAN'T SPELL
"Iranians can barley feed them selves"
"I suppose when the "sub" starts leaking, they will use the pages of Quarn to stop the leakages"
3/21/2007 1:47 PM
Iran wishes to have nuclear energy and we believe they want nuclear weapons, maybe we should provide some of our nuclear weapons to them. We could overnight them via B-52’s or our own submarines, at no charge of course.
3/28/2007 9:23 AM
It is so easy to built a sub. or even a cruise missile. Just need a good structure, simple engine. For navigation just need gyros, pitch, roll and yaw steering computer incl. respective servo motors for control movement. A bit of IRS/GPS, Nav Unit will add a bit spice. For Sub, add O2 and ballast. Simple engineering. Anybody can do it.
3/28/2007 7:40 PM
Folks need to stop underestimating Iran's military capacity or their engineering prowess. This is a fatal mistake that will someday lead us to getting caught with our pants down. If you think America is still the top dog technologically you are obviously missing all of the foreign made cars, computers, TV's, and other consumer goods that pervade our country. Almost nothing is made here anymore. We can't afford to be cavalier anymore when it comes to "third world" nations that can rival our own technological and miltary prowess. All it would take to cripple the US is for China to stop sending ships full of all the stuff we buy, or Iran to start sinking oil tankers with their new U-boats.
4/30/2007 7:13 AM
Americans and our leaders talking trash about the rest of the world needs to stop. No one can argue that the US is the world power, currently, but we don't have to be assholes about it. There are lots of smart people in the world. I haven’t built any submarines this week so I won't talk trash about someone who has. Some of you posters need to travel the world without the umbrella of the US Government sometime and then call me and tell me how powerful you felt. Walking down a back alley in Pakistan unarmed or getting held up by a fourteen year old with nothing but a beat to shit M16 on some dark road with out your Uncle Sam armored convoy and close air support can be an enlightening experience. Lost a good watch that day.
Iran is just doing its best to protect its interests in the in the Persian Gulf. As a Shallow Water Attack Subs go it looks like it could do what it needs to. The North Koreans have been building these small subs for a while so they must have some smart guys around somewhere. I’m assuming this boat was not modular construction. But, these pictures just show a final product so who knows how it was put together. Anyone have any better pictures?
7/09/2007 10:20 PM
http://www.debka.com/article.php?font_size=big&aid=1317
11/27/2007 6:37 AM
Thanks for clarifying the news on the submarine issue. I often have to go to other sources for accuracy and truth in the news. The US headlines and the mainstream media are putting such a spin on things the American public is getting further and further from the truth on most issues its no wonder there is so much ignorance in the US.
11/27/2007 1:04 PM
Who lost the 33-day war in Lebanon? Of course US. IS it wise to start another war?
So why not to start a negotiation instead of another war?
I think Shiite Muslim are more reliable and the demonstate a milder version of Islam.
Although the Mullahs are contra-US, the Iranians seem to be the most pro-US ppl in the ME.
11/29/2007 2:01 AM
Iran’s history of state sponsored terrorism is frightening.
Iranian terror continues without stop, just as it has for nearly 3 decades. The nuclear program is real and needs to be dealt with soon.
Since the criminal 1979 storming of the United States embassy in Tehran, Iran’s complicity in horrible terrorist attacks around the world has continued. The US embassy bombings in Kuwait and Lebanon in 1983 along with the US Marine Barracks is well known by Americans.
But how many know of Iran’s support for Ayman al-Zawahiri’s planned Egyptian coup in 1990? Any effort towards peace in the middle East is attacked by Iran. This, according to top al-Qaeda operative Ali Mohamed now in US custody.
Iran met with (eventual) al-Qaeda operatives and Hezbollah at the Popular Arab Islamic Conference meetings held in Sudan after the Gulf War of 1990-1991? Osama Bin (let's kill innocent men women and children) Laden met regularly with Iranians in Sudan for the purposes of uniting against the United States?
How many know about Iran’s Satanic Hezbollah training al-Qaeda terrorists in the art of suicide truck bomb operations in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley ahead of the 1998 simultaneous US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya where more innocent men, women and children were murdered?
The 2003 al-Qaeda attacks on three housing complexes in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia were ordered by al-Qaeda commanders Saif al-Adel and Saad bin Laden, operating from within Iran while supposedly under “house arrest.” Their operating fund came directly from Iranian Oil revenue.
Everybody knows that Hezbollah and Hamas are funded and equipped with Iranian money and weapons like the missiles used to attack innocents in Israel.
Most of the explosives that are used in Iraq to kill men, women and children and American soldiers is provided by Iran.
The horrific explosions in Spain, England, Germany and France were partially Iranian funded.
The list goes on and on and on.
Only one country besides Israel has identified the source of bombings and terrorism.
That country was Argentina. There has been a lot of Large Scale Iranian terrorism in Argentina.
There are about a quarter of a million Jews who live in Argentina so it will continue to be a target of Insane Radical Islamic attack, just like New York City has been. Most American are totally oblivious to the Iranian sponsored terrorism all around the world. Our brain dead newspapers do not cover the small attacks, but do cover the Big Ones. Here are two of them that you might remember.
1992 Iranian Attack on the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires
The First BIG attack was in Buenos Aires, Argentina and was a bomb attack against Israel's embassy on March 17, 1992. A modified delivery truck, driven by a Radical Islamic suicide bomber and loaded with high explosives, smashed into the front of the Israeli Embassy and detonated, destroying the embassy, a Catholic church, and a nearby elementary school building. There is no doubt in my mind that the Catholic Church and the school were deliberately considered as viable targets because Radical Islam is at war with all infidels no matter what age, sex or faith. Islamic Jihad, allegedly a front for Hezbollah, proudly claimed responsibility for its “Glorious Attack” on the infidels and children. The Argentine government subsequently expelled seven disgusting Iranian diplomats from the country, stating that it had "Convincing Proof" of criminal Iranian involvement in the horrific bombing, but could not prosecute the Iranians SOB's because they were shielded by “Diplomatic Immunity.” They need to be hunted down and brought to justice in one manner or another.
The AMIA Bombing
The AMIA Bombing was an attack on the Asociación Mutual Israelita Argentina building in the capital of Buenos Aires on July 18, 1994, that killed 85 people. It was the deadliest bombing in Argentina's history. On October 25, 2006, Argentine prosecutors formally accused the government of Iran of directing the bombing, and the Hezbollah militia of carrying it out.
Subsequent to these attacks, the Iranians have sponsored attacks against innocent civilian people of Jewish ancestry living throughout Latin America. These attacks have been one by one and have on occasion been made to look like bungled kidnappings of children or robberies that have gone awry. It is so singularly directed one is left with no doubt that it is a continuing attack on the Jewish people just because they are Jewish. So totally evil, but a reality.
1/08/2008 7:05 AM
Iran has many engineers whom studied abroad in the past. They have worked many years now to become independent of foreign arm purchases. While I don´t belive their claims of weapons systems capability they should not be underestimated. There are many dual use products which a resourcefull and fanatic regime like Iran could use. One thing which has helped the Iranian Regime stay in power has been the high price of oil. Many Iranians are not happy with the system and would like to see change. While they must be confronted on the nuclear issue, the threats only solidify and galvinize the people behind their criminal government. It also causes the price of oil to rise and gives the government more money to stay afloat. Best case would be a dialog with Iran building trust and the Iranians de-fanging the Mullahs and bringing about change. They did it 30 years ago so perhaps Iran now they are ready for another revolution and this time to put the Mullahs out. Their Subs should be easy to detect,,just listen for idiots shouting Allah Akbar from underwater.
8/26/2008 9:27 AM
When the time comes to "put up or shut up", the Iranian vessels will be doing the same thing that the Iraqi air farce MIGS did during the Gulf War.....cryin' for mama and nowhere to be found!
9/01/2008 4:46 AM
So easy to see here who is a jew looking after israeli interests!
we know who you are..so please stop pretending like iran is a threat to the US and armageddon will follow if we don't attack iran
5/09/2009 11:26 PM
i wonna zoom on "innocent civilians in israel" are those innocent civilians the same ppl who did the gaza massacre? or Qana 1 or Qana 2 massacre in lebanon and many many other massacres reported by the UN? does any body know that every israeli "civilian" is a trained soldier who is part of the army and who participates in war?does any body know that all the rockets sent by iran to Hisbolla a and Hamas didnt kill more than 15 civilians where are isreali innocent missiles or piece killed 1250 lebanese true cilvilians and farmers?does anyody know that those the rockets fly on israel every once in a while israeli has a dialy work of killing palastinian civilians and calling them terrorists,taking there homes and lands building an appertied wall?anybody who attackss iran for arrming those groups is nothing but a natzi who belive that the western israel has a legal right to kill and take what ever it wants from inferior middle east!
7/06/2009 11:30 AM
In my opinion everyone must look at it.
10/19/2011 7:14 AM
Thank you for the post, pretty helpful info.
9/08/2012 11:39 AM
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